Discussion in 'Detroit Lions Blitz' started by Felix, Jun 24, 2013.
I guess we lost the Young thread in the move...here is the latest:
Well I'm glad that it sounds like he's getting some help but I do question his handlers blaming it all on concussions.
There were signs of erratic behaviour while he was in college prior to the concussions he allegedly recieved while playing in the NFL
Sounds to me like he is jumping on the bandwagon in an last ditch attemp to cash in on his playing career
Typical diversionary tactics by a spoiled asshole...and people are still making excuses for him.
Whatever. Coddling these idiots has done our society so much good, thus far. Why not keep it up???
Before anyone jumps on me...I'm glad the guy is being seen by a psychiatrist. I'll be real interested to see what comes out of this. So far, I have seen nothing different from the many cases I see every day. Maybe a little unstable, but when treated the way he's obviously been treated throughout his life, all of this pretty much comes down to being one convenient excuse for him.
Hope he can live a productive life after he gets help
He absolutely can!!! His football career may be out the window...maybe...maybe not. However, there is a cure for his problem. It's called "get the fukk over yourself and stop acting like a social retard".
Jeezuz...how many reports say he has some mental issue or another and you act like its a choice? fucking ridiculous...I think you should get the fukk over yourself sanders
I would think somebody like you...a lover of all things empirical...would understand why I'd prefer to see some evidence...or even a body of supporting stories. I've seen a few comments from a few people that have every reason to keep making excuses for him. That's it.
As for getting over myself...I think you could probably go fukk yourself.
I deal with guys like Titus Young every day. EVERY DAY!!! Yeah...some of them have some legitimate problems. Some of those problems are legitimate mental illnesses, but the vast majority of these people suffer from social issues. As in bad parenting...and I mean beyond just a little neglect. As in being coddled/spoiled. As in having no daddy around. As in having no discipline. As in making every team they ever tried out for and receiving "participation" trophies. As in, they don't understand the word "no".
You stick with the fukkin' rocks and gas and all that shit. I would be likely to believe you if you told me that old abandoned sewage plants are now producing an alternative fuel source, just because that's what you do for a living. And even if I would question it, I'm pretty sure I would do it with some sort of tact. And I'm pretty sure I'd never suggest that you "get over yourself". So again, go fukk yourself and show me some fukkin' proof...as in evi-fukkin'-dence...that I am absolutely, positively wrong about my assessment that he is nothing more than a maladjusted person as a result of his poor raising before taking such a strong stance against my perception.
Yes, even if it is through experience and education, I have proof to neither support nor negate my claim. But then, I'm not the one trying to tell someone that they have no fukkin' clue what they're talking about.
That's the kind of shit that people with low social skills do...like Titus Young.
Or his lawyer is. Looks like he is trying to get his client on the concussion suit against the NFL. Shady bullshit if you ask me.
Aaahhh, twisting Sanders tail again Felix? I thought you already explored this rabbit hole.
Haha...I really don't mind it. In fact, I'm looking forward to seeing what...if anything...comes of this.
Felix has made it his mission in life to fukk with me and, sometimes, he gets really good reactions from me. LOL. Again, I don't really mind. I don't hold grudges. It may bug me to have my integrity questioned or to suggest that I'm a fukkin' moron, but then I consider the source. Haha.
If you ever hear someone from the RZ saying that someone else is an idiot/moron, the chances that there is a mirror around or that they suffer from a multiple personality disorder is just as great as them calling someone else an idiot/moron.
Is that the psychobabble version of, Im rubber youre glue?
Why, yes. Yes it is.
If the shoe fits, walk a mile before you throw stones. Haha
Where Is Titus Young? Who Is Titus Young?
The troubled former Lions receiver’s behavior has left everyone who knows him dumbfounded. Is it mental illness, head trauma, drugs—or just a young man lost in his own world?
· More from Robert·
NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. — Judge Andre Manssourian allows the defense to approach the bench to answer a question uttered often in certain Southern California circles recently: Where’s Titus Young? The lawyers confer privately with the deputy district attorney, then veteran attorney Altus Hudson rushes from the courtroom to make a phone call. Forty-five minutes later, the same routine is repeated. Then, two hours after Young’s lawyer had entered the courtroom at 9:30 a.m. in a dark suit and brown leather shoes, the iron-voiced Orange County judge says he’ll again suspend a warrant for Young’s arrest.
“This is the last time,” Manssourian says. “I am satisfied that Mr. Young is not trying to take advantage of not being in custody or defy the court’s rulings, but I am going to have to get him here in the courtroom.”
Outside the courtroom, Hudson says Young is in treatment—then pauses and corrects himself. “Undergoing treatment.”
The subject of off-the-record whispers at Manssourian’s bench for three consecutive missed appearances now, Young is required to show up in the courtroom on Aug. 27 or be subject to arrest. He’s meant to answer for the latest blow in a self-destructive barrage that ruined a promising NFL career: his arrest for an alleged break-in at a home in San Clemente, Calif., the weekend of May 11 and the assault of the officers who came to arrest him. Young spent 27 days in jail before being released on bail on June 10. The incident came on the heels of two arrests in a single day earlier in May, the first for suspicion of DUI (for which Young was booked and released) and the second for suspicion of burglary, after he allegedly scaled a wall and attempted to retrieve his impounded car. Young was released on $5,000 bail on those charges.
Will Titus Young show up in two weeks? It’s anyone’s guess. Will Titus Young ever play football again? The jury’s out. What set him on this precipitous decline? That’s hard to say. But the clues lie along the road he took from Los Angeles to Newport Beach, with stops in Idaho, Michigan, St. Louis and Texas.
* * *
“We did all the things kids that grow up in Los Angeles do,” says Mike Agustin, a teammate of Young’s on the University High football team in the mid-2000s. “We partied, we smoked; nothing serious.”
Titus, like much of his crew, needed discipline; they got it from coaches E.C. Robinson and Lee Lowe. Robinson, a former probation officer, built a winning program at Uni with the aid, Agustin says, of a long wooden stick, striking the ankles and calves of players who were late, players who misbehaved, players who were high. “Coach Rob didn’t play [around],” he says. (Asked about his big-stick approach, Robinson laughed and called it “more of a myth than truth.”)
Robinson’s teams hit hard, sometimes with their heads. After a summer of sneaking into football camps with coach Lowe, Young wanted to make a statement in 2006, his senior year. He’d built buzz among recruiters as a fearless safety and a speed receiver. Young was particularly amped for the season opener against rival San Pedro. “I remember the game like it was yesterday,” Lowe says. “[Titus] said, I don’t need no picks, I got to let ’em know. He was sitting them on their ass, but it was all helmet to helmet. He was hitting guys so hard, like a scholarship was on the line. He was like a torpedo. Knockout shots.”
Says Robinson: “Titus loved to hit with his head.”
Young was a scud missile on defense and a showboat on offense. He would line up at wide receiver and tell an approaching cornerback with a grin, Get up here son. I’m about to dog you. In one game he returned a kick for a touchdown with just a few seconds remaining, finishing with a front-flip into the end zone that earned him a one-game suspension. Reckless, outspoken, sociable and supremely talented, Young signed to attend Boise State, which was in the midst of its rise to national prominence. Better yet, Jason Robinson—two years his elder, his former quarterback at Uni and coach Robinson’s son—was on the Broncos’ football team and would be his roommate.
In 2007, before Young set off to Idaho, a fellow Uni student interviewed him on camera in a three-minute video later uploaded to YouTube. Young was asked about his early discipline problems in high school, his eventual suspension, and how he had turned his young life around and earned a college scholarship. “I was tired of being the bad person in the dean’s office,” Young says in the video, wearing a white T-shirt and sagging jeans. “Every time I’d go to the dean’s office, I’d always wish I was somebody else. I’m trying to be like myself.”
At Boise, Young excelled as a freshman, catching 44 passes for 639 yards and five touchdowns, but he began missing workouts and disagreeing with instructions. Assistant coaches phoned Robinson and Lowe to ask, “How do you deal with this kid?” In October 2008, Broncos coach Chris Petersen suspended Young for the remainder of his sophomore season. That appeared to be a wake-up call: Young straightened up, was reinstated for 2009, and had 150 receptions over his final two seasons. He finished as Boise’s alltime leader in receiving yards, with 3,063. Entering the 2011 NFL draft, Young was a promising prospect with a character flag.
Young, here in Boise State’s win over TCU in the January 2010 Fiesta Bowl, left the Broncos as their their alltime leader in receiving yards. - (Christian Petersen/Getty Images)
Mike Ornstein sought him out that winter. A one-time Raiders exec, Ornstein had represented Reggie Bush and other prominent NFL players as a marketing agent (and would later in 2011 run afoul of the law in a case involving the sale of memorabilia Super Bowl tickets). Young committed to his marketing services, and Ornstein remembers the 21-year-old as smart and personable, visiting Ornstein’s house on several occasions, playing video games with Ornstein’s high-school aged son and introducing Ornstein to his girlfriend. Occasionally, Ornstein says, Young was rude or dismissive, but nothing worth noting. “He grew up in a nice family,” Ornstein says. “He grew up in South Central, but he’s not a thug. He was an all-around sweet kid.”
In April 2011, Young was drafted 44th overall by the Lions, who were looking for a speed receiver to take some heat off their star, Calvin Johnson. For a season, that’s what they got. Acrobatic and a fearless route-runner at 5-11 and 175 pounds, Young caught 48 passes for 607 yards and six touchdowns as a rookie. But during that season his personality morphed. He grew quieter around teammates and less disciplined on the field. In Week 13 he was benched after committing a costly unsportsmanlike conduct penalty in a 31-17 loss to the Saints. Privately, Young demanded that he get the ball more often from quarterback Matt Stafford. “He would say things, and we would argue behind closed doors, and then when we came out it was all good,” says veteran wideout Nate Burleson, who joined the Lions in 2010. “He wanted to be the No. 1 receiver. I told him he had to wait his turn.”
Young showed promise as a Lions rookie in 2011, catching 48 passes, six of them for touchdowns, including this score against the Raiders in December 2011. - (Ezra Shaw/Getty Images)
That fall the league, through its office of player engagement, reached out to Young to offer counseling, at the request of a person in Young’s inner circle, but Young declined that and subsequent offers. Then on May 21, 2012, during a Lions’ offseason workout, Young and defensive back Louis Delmas got into a disagreement; Young took a swing at Delmas while he wasn’t looking and was banned from the team’s facility. He returned to Los Angeles after that and pled his case to his peers. At a July 4 barbeque he contended to Lowe that he was a better player than Johnson. “We had an argument,” Lowe says. “I’m like, Dude, what are you talking about? And he was like, They can’t guard me. I’m open all the time. My routes are better, I’m faster, my swag is better. Part of it was funny, but the other thing is, he really believed that.”
During the summer of 2012, Young spent much of his time at Uni, working out with the high schoolers whom he supplied with cleats and gloves through his Adidas partnership. He would race players for the cleats off his feet; once, when the fastest one, Justin White, almost beat him, Young demanded a rematch to set the record straight. “He was happy, he was a jokester,” White remembers. “He was cool with me. Everyone liked being around him.”
Young and coach Jim Schwartz confer on the sidelines during a 2011 game. - (Wesley Hitt/Getty Images)
Upon returning to Lions HQ in Allen Park, Mich., Young was even more the outsider. In November 2012, amid a season of growing discontent between Young and coaches, he intentionally lined up in the wrong spot and ran the wrong routes in a game against the Packers. Detroit, struggling through a stretch in which it would lose its final eight games and finish 4-12, benched him for the rest of the season. “It’s hard to say when he started to change,” says Burleson. “There wasn’t one moment. You don’t want to make assumptions when somebody is dealing with something that is, in a sense, invisible.”
Two weeks before the Super Bowl, an incensed Young tweeted, “I never been selfish but if I’m not going to get the football i don’t want to play anymore.” Two weeks later, and with two years left on his four-year, $4.6 million contract, the Lions severed ties with Young.
* * *
Still, his potential was beguiling, especially to a team in need of help at receiver. On Feb. 5 the Rams claimed him off waivers, coach Jeff Fisher and GM Les Snead taking a shot with a player they hoped could be a replacement for Danny Amendola, who was expected to leave in free agency. But over the course of several meetings with Rams personnel, Young was off-kilter and unfocused: He told Fisher, for instance, that he wanted to move to defensive back. On Feb. 14, Young left the Rams facility for the airport with a team escort, but when he arrived he couldn’t find his driver’s license. Told he couldn’t board a plane without identification, Young threw a fit, according Ornstein. “It was a big scene there at the airport,” Ornstein says. “They [the Rams] could see there was something wrong then. If he had gone down there and been his normal self, he’d still be there.”
The Rams helped settle Young’s lost ID problem and got him back to Los Angeles. On Feb. 15 they announced that they had released him.
Ornstein says that in the ensuing days he reached out to representatives of Brandon Marshall, the Bears receiver who sought treatment at McLean Hospital in Massachusetts for a personality disorder. Marshall was able to reach Young but unable to persuade him to check into McLean. Some two weeks after Young was released by the Rams, Ornstein asked Young, his father, Richard, and a cousin to meet him at his modest office in a high rise on the Avenue of the Stars. There, Ornstein laid out his plan to send Young to McLean, but Young grew angry and stormed out.
Soon after, Ornstein says, the family admitted Young to UCLA’s Neuropsychiatric Hospital in Los Angeles. Ornstein visited him in early March, several days into his stay. As Ornstein describes the scene, Young was in a bed, surrounded by his parents and sisters, dripping with sweat. He wore sunglasses because his eyes were sensitive to the light, and Ornstein was told he had been sedated. “Something happened that changed him,” Ornstein says, “and it changed him overnight. I went in the hospital and it wasn’t him.” Ornstein says the family sought treatment for Young in Texas, where Young’s father has family. (Richard and the rest of Young’s family declined an interview request for this story through Young’s attorney.) That was last of Ornstein’s involvement with Titus.
He said, ‘I’m gonna help the Rams out this year. I’m gonna get going,” Robinson says. “I said, ‘Titus, the Rams cut you.’ And he just stared off into space.* * *
Titus Young Timeline
Dec. 23, 2007 — The Boise State freshman wideout is suspended for the first quarter of the Hawaii Bowl. Coach Chris Peterson declines to give a reason.
Sept. 13, 2008 — Boise State suspends Young for the Bowling Green game for undisclosed reasons.
Oct. 7, 2008 — Young is suspended for “at least” three games, says Peterson, for a violation of team rules.
Oct. 27, 2008 — Young’s suspension is changed to indefinite. He hasn’t broken any rules while suspended, says Peterson, “It’s just that we need time apart.” Young, who has appeared in only three games in 2008, is told to stay away from team activities for the rest of the year. He does not play again that season.
April 29, 2011 — Despite finishing his college career with 3,063 receiving yards, Young falls to the second round of the NFL draft, where the Lions take him with the 44th overall pick.
Dec. 11, 2011 — Young is benched for most of the fourth quarter of a loss to the Saints after he shoves New Orleans safety Malcolm Jenkins in the face and is called for a personal foul.
May 21, 2012 — Young is banned from the Lions’ facility for two weeks after sucker-punching safety Louis Delmas during practice.
Nov. 19, 2012 — Lions coach Jim Schwartz sends Young home from practice and suspends him from that week’s Thanksgiving Day game against the Texans after his behavior the previous week against the Packers. He lined up wrong, reportedly on purpose, late in the fourth quarter and sulked throughout the game. He does not play again that season.
Dec. 2, 2012 — Schwartz tells Young to stay away from Ford Field for that week’s game against the Colts. "I'm going to do what's best for the team, and I thought that's what was best for the team today," Schwartz says afterward.
Feb. 4, 2013 — The Lions waive Young on the first day after the Super Bowl when teams can make roster moves.
Feb. 5, 2013 — The Rams (the only team to put in a claim on him) take Young off waivers.
Feb. 15, 2013 — The Rams release Young.
May 4, 2013 — Young is arrested for allegedly shoplifting a bottle of water, candy and, in a separate incident, cigars, from a Chevron in Laguna Hills, Calif.
May 5, 2013 — Young makes an illegal left turn into oncoming traffic just after midnight in Moreno Valley, Calif., and is arrested on suspicion of DUI. That afternoon, he is arrested again, this time for allegedly trying to retrieve his black Ford Mustang from a tow yard.
May 11, 2013 — Young is arrested late at night in San Clemente, Calif., on charges of attempted robbery, resisting arrest and assaulting a police officer. He is held on $75,000 bail.
May 16, 2013 — Marjani Maldonado, the mother of Young’s son, Titus Jr., files for a permanent restraining order against him. She says he has threatened her.
June 6, 2013 — After 27 days in prison, Young is released after posting 10% of his bond. His family refused to bail him out earlier, saying he needed to get help.
June 12, 2013 — A California judge grants Maldonado’s restraining order. Young must stay 100 yards away from her for the next three years.
June 24, 2013 — Young does not show up at an Orange County court hearing relating to his alleged crimes in May, for which he faces up to 10 years in jail. His lawyer, Altus W. Hudson, explains that Young is continuing to undergo psychiatric treatment. Judge Andre Manssourian excuses the absence.
July 2, 2013 — Young again fails to appear at a court hearing. Hudson provides a reason that Manssourian calls “confidential” and Young is excused.
Aug. 6, 2013 — For the third consecutive time, Young is a no-show in court. Manssourian again excuses the absence but continues to hold a $100,000 bench warrant on him and says he must attend an Aug. 27 pre-trial hearing.
— Stephanie Apstein
Later in March, in Los Angeles, Young appeared unannounced at the house of his old Uni coach, Robinson, who was not home. “When my daughter pulled up to the house,” says Robinson, “Titus was sitting on the brick wall by my garage. He said, ‘Where’s Coach?’ ”
Robinson’s daughter was phoning her dad when she saw Young wander off the wall and into the busy street, apparently unaware or uncaring. Frightened, she waved him into to her car and brought Young to the restaurant where her dad was eating. They ordered carry-out chicken from El Pollo Loco for Young and brought it back to Robinson’s house, where the coach got a glimpse of what his former star player had become. “He said, ‘I’m gonna help the Rams out this year. I’m gonna get going,” Robinson says. “I said, ‘Titus, the Rams cut you.’ And he just stared off into space.”
Robinson took to testing Young’s memory. He could no longer remember winning the team MVP award as a senior, or the speech he gave upon receiving it. Young didn’t remember who Jason Robinson was, much less their days in Boise as roommates. He said he had been to a treatment facility in Texas, and somewhere along the road had been told there was a “spot” on his brain.
“When he left I just cried,” Robinson says. “So I called his [player] agent, Kevin Poston, and told him this kid needs some help. He said ‘Coach, I had him in a facility in Detroit, and he just walked out.’ ”
Robinson has not seen Young since that day in March.
During the second week of May, Young showed up at his alma mater looking for Lowe, his mentor and Robinson’s successor as head coach. Lowe remembered Young as a cocky kid—Terrell Owens was his favorite player—with a mouth to match his game. But on this day in May, Young lacked the edge that once defined him. He was jobless and desperate for a third chance in the NFL. “He just got done working out, and he had a faraway look, like he was looking past you,” Lowe says. “For a minute we thought he got a hold of some bad drugs. He was in Detroit. I know how Detroit gets down. I’m like, ‘I hope you’re not doing any of these new drugs.’ And he was telling me, ‘No, coach, I’m not.’ ”
“Then he said, ‘Man if I can get back in the league, s–, I’ll hop the gate if I have to.’ ”
That’s dedication, Lowe thought, although the metaphor seemed odd. Young asked if he could coach the high school defensive backs who were on hand for offseason workouts, but Lowe was wary and knew about the behavior that had gotten Young shoved out of the NFL. “Yeah,” Lowe said. “Maybe next time.”
That evening, when Lowe returned home, he read the news about Young’s recent DUI arrest and the attempt to break into the impound lot. Lowe phoned Robinson, and they tried to come up with explanations for Young’s behavior. They remembered the San Pedro game, back when they knew less about the risks of leading with the head. Lowe began phoning former players to see if they still had copies of the video of that game. Robinson and Lowe also recalled Young’s confessions of “seeing stars” on multiple occasions at Boise. Though Young was never officially diagnosed with a concussion in high school and they knew of no instances in college, they decided that head trauma was, at the very least, a possible factor in Young’s behavior. (Asked if Young had ever suffered a concussion at Boise State, an athletic department spokesman said it was school policy not to release such information.)
With Young’s world spiraling out of control, his family did its best to help. Robinson says Richard Young told him they attempted to check Titus back into UCLA but there were no available beds. Shortly thereafter, Young was at home when he told his father he had left his cell phone in the car. He went outside to retrieve it but never returned. On May 12, Robinson and his wife were having lunch with their daughter when their son, Jason, rushed through the door in tears. “I said, ‘What’s wrong with you?’ ” Robinson recalls. “He said, ‘Daddy, you haven’t seen the news? They say [Titus] got arrested again, in San Clemente.’ ”
Robinson was puzzled: Why on earth was Young in San Clemente, an hour from his home? Young’s girlfriend and their child live an hour northeast of L.A., in Moreno Valley. San Clemente is an hour south, in Orange County. “If you’re black, you don’t go to Orange County,” Robinson says. “Especially not San Clemente.”
Young’s mugshot after his arrest for the alleged San Clemente break-in in May. -
In the days after Young’s third arrest in a week, Titus’s father told the Detroit News that his son suffers from a brain disorder stemming from compression in the front of his skull due to concussions. He wasn’t taking medication prescribed to him, so for his own health and safety the family let him spend 27 days in jail rather than bail him out. Richard pointed specifically to a concussion suffered during Young’s rookie season, though Young was never on an injury list for a concussion during his pro career.
Facing up to 10 years in jail, Young appeared in Judge Mansourrian’s court for a pretrial hearing on May 24, inside a tan-painted cage for prisoners. He stood silent as Mansourrian questioned him and as his father called out to him in anguish.
The Lions and general manager Martin Mayhew, through a spokesman, declined a request to speak about Young, calling it a “confidential matter.” Jason Robinson, Young’s childhood friend and college roommate, did not return phone requests for comment. Marjani Maldonado, the mother of Young’s child, was granted a restraining order against Young after feeling threatened by him. She declined an interview request. Young’s agent, Poston, did not return phone and email requests for comment. Young’s trainer and former coach, Jerron Tatum, also did not return a phone call.
Those who would speak about Young shared varying concerns, explanations, measures of disbelief and hope for him. Burleson remembers a young player who simply couldn’t find his place in the NFL: “It’s almost a detriment when your competitive nature supersedes your ability to be a good teammate.”
Ornstein questions the league’s protocol for head-trauma sufferers and hopes Young’s case eventually sheds new light on the problem. The league says it offers a number of services to suffering players, including “confidential and independent counseling services.”
Lowe and Robinson are trying to reconcile the boy they knew five years ago with the man they’ve encountered in recent months. They echo the sentiment Richard expressed to media outlets— “That’s not my son”—after the San Clemente arrest. Yes, Young was arrogant, occasionally a troublemaker, always pushing boundaries, they recall, but as long as they’ve known him he was never cruel, never criminal, never so seemingly aimless. “I’m not saying this because I love the kid: He’s never been like that,” Lowe says. “He’s a smart dude, a little bit wild. But that stuff . . . not him.
Happier times: In his best game as a pro, Young had nine catches for 100 yards and two TDs against the Seahawks on Oct. 28 of last season. He would play just three more games for Detroit. - (Carlos Osorio/AP)
“I’m happy he finally got some help. I’m just hoping its not too late. I get asked every day, ‘What’s wrong with him.’ I say, ‘I don’t know, but it’s bigger than what you think it is.’ ”
Lowe says he spoke to Young on the phone recently and that Young is out of in-patient treatment and safe with his family, but he describes the conversation as “one-sided.” Young’s lawyer, Hudson, wouldn’t say where Titus is, but his distinction between being “in” treatment and “undergoing” treatment is a telling one. He also says he doesn’t know if Young will report to the Newport Beach courthouse on Aug. 27.
There is no certainty in Young’s life anymore, at least none like the feeling of lining up opposite a lesser athlete, looking into his eyes and telling him he’s about to get dogged. In its place is a crisis of identity, one that Young thought he’d solved as a high school senior, when he was happy to finally be himself.
Still skeptical. Some of this suggests some drug involvement, but the mere fact that he can't make it to court just reeks of what I suspected all along. People are still making excuses for him and enabling his continued lacking of personal accountability.
No, it doesnt...it said he was acting so weird that people thought he was on drugs
So mental illness couldnt cause this, huh? And youre a professional? Seems there are many mental disorders that could cause a lack of emotion of caring about personal accountability. But Im sure youre right, he just is sucvh an asshole that he is intentionally trying to go to prison by missing court...
First, I'm talking about the "family beside the bed of a sweating Titus Young w/ shades on...sensitive eyes, etc.". Sounds like drugs to me, but it is still just speculation.
And to your second point, it sounds to me that they're using his "treatment" as an excuse to not show in court. My boys have court hearings all the time and we can get them to court. Mainly because I believe in accountability. I don't protect my clients from the legal consequences of their decisions. It's really counter productive to their continued progress in recovery.
Again, that's just me.
I thought the exact same thing Sanders.
Sensitivity to light is a big thing with migraines, so it isnt that much of a stretch to assume some head injury/disorder would have sensitivity to light...sweating...meh, lots of things...
And thats fine about getting your boys to court and Im not saying he shouldnt be punished if he doesnt make court. You are completely missing the point. Think about something like depression...severe cases, people dont care about appts, getting out of bed, personal hygeine, etc...so dont act like being an asshole is the only answer...seriously, this is getting stupid...
LMAO!!! Felix, the only reason this discussion bugs you is because you're not willing to accept an alternative view to your own. Either that or you're just refusing to let it be known. I realize that there's a possibility that you're right and he's not an asshole at all. All I'm saying is, from my experiences, it kinda looks like he's an asshole and always has been.
Not surprisingly, this story did nothing to sway my suspicion in another direction. In fact, I think it provided some pretty strong suggestion that I might be right.
Think of it like watching a Lions game with a rival fan. You're both going to be prone to bias and you will figure out a way to suggest that your team is doing better, even if the score is tied. The difference here is...we don't get the luxury of a finite result. We get the media spin, the bias of the family and the professionals working for/with him in conjunction with our own biases. We'll likely never "know" which of us is right.
And I'm OK with that. I'm not sure why you struggle with this. Haha.
BTW, Felix...your points are noted and you are correct. Some of the diagnoses, if legitimate, could result in those behaviors. However, so could just being a spoiled little narcissistic asshole who was never told no or forced to face consequences.
In my opinion, this judge is not doing him any favors by excusing him time and again. Once, maybe. However, that brings me back to my point. If her was once "in" treatment, I could see postponing legal actions. Hell, I request that at times. Not only does it give us (and our clients) time to work our program uninterrupted and with fewer stressors, but successful completion of treatment is often favorable in the eyes of the court...especially when done voluntarily and not through court mandate. However, he no longer appears to be "in" treatment. He's "undergoing" treatment...which, to me...and I could be wrong...indicates that he is no longer hospitalized or in any form of inpatient or residential treatment and is, instead, likely involved in some outpatient counseling.
This is why it looks to me that others are still making excuses for him. He could very likely have made it to one of the three scheduled hearings.
Actually, no sanders....I do agree he probably has always been an asshole and Ive never claimed he wasn't. The difference is, from he first time I brouht up a mental disorder you have said no, now numerous people have stated that he has some mental issues and you still deny it. That's the pat that's ridiculous.
I like you sanders, even with all the disagreements we've had...but I'm serious, if your the type of psychologist thats out there, I really do fear for the mentally ill. I'm dead serious...its like being set back 100 yrs...theres nothing wrong with you, your just an asshole. What a terrible mentality. And don't confuse that with making excuses for people. I am all for holding them accojntable, but damn man, you have to diagnose and treat shit so it isn't recurring....you can't ignore it and chalk it up to assholeness just because you don't understand it....
Doood!!! I'm not completely denying that he has any disability that is contributing to his choices and behavior. I'm just seeing too many indicators that it's just classic poor parenting and spoiled asshole-ness. Not that there aren't other things in play, but I do happen to believe that these "tags" are far too easily placed on people who really have nothing more wrong with them than being unfortunate enough to be born to shitty parents and into a society that pretty much pampers youth and makes excuses for their poor decisions.
Also, it may relieve you to know that I am not a psychologist. I would love to go back to school, but I think I'll need to either hit the lotto or luck out by finding employment with a company that will actually fund me to continue my education. I just run a residential drug and alcohol facility and conduct counseling sessions with my adolescent clients and their families. I'm telling ya, it's very rare that I see boys who behave like Titus solely because of a mental illness or disability. It's also very rare that I see well functioning families (if they're families, at all) that have kids that behave like this.
Again, I am fully aware that I could be completely wrong. It's just the more I read, the more I'm convinced I'm on the right track.
FWIW...I am every bit as cynical in person as I seem on these boards, but I am also very reserved about it in my professional life. Believe this or don't...I am actually accused of being a softy more often than the opposite. I have great compassion for kids and even some for their families, but I don't beat around the bush. I get kids whose parents fukked them up in one way or another. I let them know that from the start. I guess it's my way of battling the myth that they can fukk 'em up for 15 or 16 years and bring them to me to "fix them" in 6 months. Once in a while, I'll get a family that is genuinely interested in improving their family dynamics...but it's rare. We're dealing with generations of bad parenting.
Job security, I guess. Haha
I wonder why he is in a treatment facility if no mental illness? I guess you can check in under asshole?
PS, no thread is ever dead...
Holy shit!!! A year later??? Still "seeking" treatment???
Do me a favor. Find out where he's at. Is he "in" some kind of inpatient setting??? If so, how long has he been there. Yes, I know HIPAA laws will likely make it tough to get this information (how convenient), but I'm still having trouble buying this.
No, not the presence of any mental illness, but the severity of it.
The truth is...if he were as mentally ill as he's claiming, his lawyer could easily make this claim in court and the courts would "order" him to treatment...depending on his previous criminal history.
There's obviously something wrong with this guy's nugget, but I'm still not buying the stories.
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