Rogers returning to Detroit? - Page 2

Felix · #26 02-02-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by willydacoach

What about getting Graham in the 2nd round? Or would you go CB in 2nd?

I would look at OG 1st, then CB 2nd in the 2nd round...take the best value.

I am not a huge Graham guy...but then again, Im not from Michigan. I think he will do much better as an OLB in a 3-4 than a down DE in a 4-3. I dont see him as a 4-3 DE that would cause double teams. The Lions need a Peppers or Williams type DE, not another pass rush specialist...

badnews3123 · #27 02-02-2010, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix

I would look at OG 1st, then CB 2nd in the 2nd round...take the best value.

I am not a huge Graham guy...but then again, Im not from Michigan. I think he will do much better as an OLB in a 3-4 than a down DE in a 4-3. I dont see him as a 4-3 DE that would cause double teams. The Lions need a Peppers or Williams type DE, not another pass rush specialist...

The problem is once Iupati is off the board, there's probably no OG worth the 34.

Felix · #28 02-02-2010, 10:53 AM

yeah, I havent looked too much into it yet...waiting until the combine before I start putting names out there and targeting players

badnews3123 · #29 02-02-2010, 11:16 AM

I think that 34 pick is really where you're going to see that BPA applied. There's going to be a lot of talent spread at a lot of different positions.

K-Dawg · #30 02-02-2010, 04:01 PM

That's why I'm hoping the run on DL push Iupati down the board. Because if the Rams go Suh #1, they're taking a QB #2.

Granted...

If the Rams go QB #1, I totally see them going OL at #33.

LionNation · #31 02-02-2010, 04:07 PM

I don't think its written in stone the Rams are taking a QB in the first two rounds. They may end up with Vick after he is cut.

Felix · #32 02-02-2010, 04:08 PM

I dont see them wasting their 2nd pick on a QB...if they want a franchise QB, they take him at the top of the draft...they dont wait until the 2nd for a franchise QB (2nd round QBs have a 10% success rate)...

K-Dawg · #33 02-02-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix

I dont see them wasting their 2nd pick on a QB...if they want a franchise QB, they take him at the top of the draft...they dont wait until the 2nd for a franchise QB (2nd round QBs have a 10% success rate)...

There is the speculation about Vick, I agree with that. But, I wouldn't be surprised if they call on Lefevour at the top of the second.

There was also speculation on a mock draft site that the Rams could try to trade for Dorsey, so they could take a QB at the top.

Texan4Lions · #34 02-04-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LionNation

I don't think its written in stone the Rams are taking a QB in the first two rounds. They may end up with Vick after he is cut.

Philly reported yesterday that they were bringing Vick back.

The depth in this years draft is at DL and QB. I am not to sold on the O-linemen yet. Iupati is the best of the bunch. He likes to grab guys on their arms to hold them, which will turn him into a holding machine if he doesn't learn to correct it. He is the most solid in the "unmoveable" department. I could even see us Drafting Berry #2 and taking a DL with #34 due to the quality of player that will be available to us.

We just need to take best player still this year and try to build something with this team. I can pretty confidently say we will not be in the super bowl next year, so we need to keep building this team with the best possible talent to put on the field.

LionNation · #35 02-04-2010, 01:09 PM

I heard that report on Vick staying in Philly too but everyone believes its just bullshit coming from the front office. Like they are trying to create a trade scenario for him. Just hoping they can get something if anything for him.

I don't think they are gonna pay their 3rd string QB 5 million next year just so he can run some wildcat plays.

K-Dawg · #36 02-04-2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by LionNation

I heard that report on Vick staying in Philly too but everyone believes its just bullshit coming from the front office. Like they are trying to create a trade scenario for him. Just hoping they can get something if anything for him.

I don't think they are gonna pay their 3rd string QB 5 million next year just so he can run some wildcat plays.

Vick has also said that he is not a wildcat guy, and doesn't want to run the wildcat...

Texan4Lions · #37 02-04-2010, 04:11 PM

Yeah, but the way it's looking it's going to be an uncapped year, so if Philly wants to pay him for another year of service, why not? If they have the freddom and room to do it I dont see why they wouldnt.

txlion71 · #38 02-08-2010, 11:11 PM

I think the Lions lack of success by taking a QB #1 overall 2009 is a great example of why Rams won't make the same mistake with their pick. I say they take Suh if there isn't a something crazy where they get another team to trade down with.

Felix · #39 02-09-2010, 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by txlion71

I think the Lions lack of success by taking a QB #1 overall 2009 is a great example of why Rams won't make the same mistake with their pick.

Quite possibly the worst "logic" Ive ever seen.

TechLion · #40 02-09-2010, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Felix

Quite possibly the worst "logic" Ive ever seen.

Why? Everyone knows that taking a QB high in the first round is a crap shoot. Maybe Stafford is the icing on the cake that would prevent the Rams from picking a QB. High first round picks are supposed to help teams improve not stay the same.

Everyone says Stafford played like a rookie but did he play like a #1 overall rookie. The answer is f#@k NO.

Murtyle · #41 02-09-2010, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by TechLion

Everyone says Stafford played like a rookie but did he play like a #1 overall rookie. The answer is f#@k NO.

How so?

TechLion · #42 02-09-2010, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Murtyle

How so?

Put stats aside. His inaccuracy was no where close to what I would expect from a NFL QB rookie let alone the #1 overall pick. I don't think his many many wild throws were rookie mistakes, that is just the kind of QB he is. I can't really say I like any part of his game and that is not a good thing when your talking about the #1 overall pick.

Is he accurate? NO, not even close to NFL standards.
Does he have star QB touch ability? NO
Is he a good mobile QB? NO
Can he read defenses extremely well? NO

He is just another guy with a strong arm playing QB and making millions of dollars and taking up a shit load of cap space. The Rams would be insane to make the same mistake the Lions did. Like I said, you don't have to gamble in the NFL, just build the right way and everything will fall into place.

Murtyle · #43 02-09-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by TechLion

Put stats aside.

I stopped reading here...

Translation - Forget the facts that prove me wrong and focus on my opinion of how he "looked" compared to other QBs... Even though I readily admit that I really only watch Lions games and have little basis for comparison other than how other QBs looked against the worst secondary in the league (The Lions)...

TechLion · #44 02-09-2010, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Murtyle

I stopped reading here...

Translation - Forget the facts that prove me wrong and focus on my opinion of how he "looked" compared to other QBs... Even though I readily admit that I really only watch Lions games and have little basis for comparison other than how other QBs looked against the worst secondary in the league (The Lions)...

What ever! If you can't tell he's extremely wild especially for the #1 overall pick, your as high as a kite. Stats don't show how many wide open receivers had balls thrown six feet over there heads! Your a very basic thinker!

BTW his stats did suck!

txlion71 · #45 02-10-2010, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TechLion

Why? Everyone knows that taking a QB high in the first round is a crap shoot. Maybe Stafford is the icing on the cake that would prevent the Rams from picking a QB. High first round picks are supposed to help teams improve not stay the same.

Everyone says Stafford played like a rookie but did he play like a #1 overall rookie. The answer is f#@k NO.

Glad to see someone gets my point. Well said Tech.
The Lions could have drafted almost any position on O or D line and upgraded but instead they either thought about filling seats or got enamored with the success of Flacco and Ryan and decided to take a shot. We probably won't have a decision if it was a good pick or not until a couple more years from now.
Not all teams like to build that way. I don't see any QB in this years draft strong enough to be #1 overall and especially rolling the dice on Bradford... that injury might come back to haunt him...

Murtyle · #46 02-10-2010, 09:05 PM

good lord people... Mario Williams had 4.5 sacks his rookie year... Is that playing like a #1 overall pick?

Tech again what concept are you bringing up here that you believe to be over my or anyone's head? I don't disagree with you that he was erratic at times last year... Most rookie QBs are... If you don't think that other rookie QBs look a lot like Stafford did whether they panned out or not, YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT...

Stafford was the correct pick, I'll always believe that... Whether he turns out to be the best pick is on him and the players around him...

Felix · #47 02-10-2010, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by txlion71

Glad to see someone gets my point. Well said Tech.
The Lions could have drafted almost any position on O or D line and upgraded but instead they either thought about filling seats or got enamored with the success of Flacco and Ryan and decided to take a shot. We probably won't have a decision if it was a good pick or not until a couple more years from now.
Not all teams like to build that way. I don't see any QB in this years draft strong enough to be #1 overall and especially rolling the dice on Bradford... that injury might come back to haunt him...

What? Really? You honestly believe the Lions drafted Stafford thinking they were going to have a playoff run like they did? Wow...that is just...sad...

I believe the Lions drafted Stafford in the hopes he will one day be like Aikman or Manning...you know those guys that were drafted to horrible teams that then built around them and had a decade of success. I think you are very foolish if you believe they drafted Stafford to be a rookie like Ryan...

Furthermore...you state that the lions could have " drafted almost any position on O or D line and upgraded"...so you would have been ok with the Lions drafting Smith #1....the guy that wasnt good enough to play LT for the Rams...the RAMS, the only team worse than the Lions? Or are you saying Curry would have done so much better than Foote?

Wow....

txlion71 · #48 02-10-2010, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix

What? Really? You honestly believe the Lions drafted Stafford thinking they were going to have a playoff run like they did? Wow...that is just...sad...

I believe the Lions drafted Stafford in the hopes he will one day be like Aikman or Manning...you know those guys that were drafted to horrible teams that then built around them and had a decade of success. I think you are very foolish if you believe they drafted Stafford to be a rookie like Ryan...

Furthermore...you state that the lions could have " drafted almost any position on O or D line nd upgraded"...so you would have been ok with the Lions drafting Smith #1....the guy that wasnt good enough to play LT for the Rams...the RAMS, the only team worse than the Lions? Or are you saying Curry would have done so much better than Foote?

Wow....

I liked Curry or Monroe from Virginia and Raji didn't fit our system... I wasn't ever big on the kid from Alabama or Smith... Ideally trading out of #1 would have been best but probably wasn't an option. why do you think Smith was the automatic choice if we didn't draft Curry or Stafford? I watch enough big 12 football and to me it is kind of a weak conference for turning out pro players, Smith never impressed me.

Felix · #49 02-11-2010, 12:37 AM

Stafford, Curry and Jason Smith were the only ones really in the discussion for #1 overall....

K-Dawg · #50 02-11-2010, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Felix

Stafford, Curry and Jason Smith were the only ones really in the discussion for #1 overall....

Did Curry and SMith play like top 5 picks last year? Fuck no!